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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 11:07 AMExcerpted frum "The Bank Teller and Other Essays on the Politics of Meaning" by Peter Gabel:
Our desire to fully recognize and be recognized by the other engenders a vulnerability to the other that keeps appearing to threaten us with a kind of spiritual annihilation that in turn leads us to deny our authentic desire and hide behind a congeries of images and masks, both personal and collective, which in turn keeps creating and re-creating the very alienated world that we long to transcend. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 11:16 AM"a longing to fully realize the impacted Someone who we know we are"
isn't it uncomfortable to be impacted? -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 11:35 AMLogical Positivism rears its ugly head....
Your head, though, Toad, looks just fine on that body.... hehe
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 11:46 AMwow. Thanks for posting that Madame. It sums up some things I have been pondering lately about how we relate to the world and how those in the world relate to us. It gets so complicated, so many layers we are acting from or others are acting from that seem to shift and change and make things so much more impossible than they need to be. Masks elaborate in their structure created for protection from the very things we truly want.
To be loved, accepted, and be seen. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 5:24 PMI want to eat a cookie, but I can't get it into my mouth with this damn mask on. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 6:30 PMNext time make the mouth opening bigger that is what I did. I have my eating masks and my posing masks... Hell I have a few tribe masks...
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 7:16 PMQueenE, you are the first person EVER to tell me to make my mouth hole bigger. Thank you! This one goes in the archives. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Thu, May 12, 2005 - 10:26 AMYou are very welcome, I am nothing if not practical.
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Thu, May 12, 2005 - 6:26 PMI read this and I think about Alec, my daughter, when she was 4 going on 5 . . . we had her enrolled in a bilingual private school kg -- spanish / english
the english side had this English teacher, i.e., from the U.K.
the spanish side had these Spanish women from Puerto Rico and from somewhere else I cannot remember ...
Her english kg teacher explained that Alec ... well ... essentially ... had a big mouth and wouldn't shut up . . . and her spanish teacher explained that they adored her confidence . . .
so we explained to each side what the other said and decided Alec would simply have to learn how to deal with all kinds of people if she was going to be a human being and told her be herself . . . -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Thu, May 12, 2005 - 7:47 PMwow. can't get a better example of how people percieve you differently! sounds like you handled it beautifully.
and yes, madame, thanks for posting that! it's something i think about often. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Thu, May 12, 2005 - 9:36 PMPeople should just be themselves. Know that God can see you and loves you anyway! LOL -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 8:45 AMI could be myself, but I woudl rather be Funyun -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 8:46 AMYes. Everyone should be me. Except those who wish to be the Madame.
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:10 AMthe relationship of the present to the future: that is what meaning is.
Ah likke this!
'Ideas' are of teh Modern era... we happen now to be in teh fluxxx transition beyond teh Post Modern… may we consider how to form tihs phase of activating imagination… -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 10:39 AMI better lay down this mask before VK kills me... -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 10:44 AMI better lay down this mask before VK kills me...
Hee! -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 11:09 AMOK, someone is going to have to be killed soon... -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 11:13 AMRibbett!
you wouldn't hit a teenie queenie would you?
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 11:16 AMMaybe just spank a lil bit, but only if you asked nicely. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 1:26 PMThat was a pretty nice "EEEEEEEk!" -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 1:43 PMNoooooooooooo!
I want my madame! VK is askeering me!
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 1:45 PMPaul Weller to the rescue!!!!!!!!
(12 string guitar in one hand, bottle of merlot in the other....)
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 1:55 PMPoot zat ting avay, VK! Yoo ar askaring ze laydees. Lettuce trye ze more subtle approach, shall wee?
Tea und purrhaps sum lite philosophical musings, anyvun?
Thots on ze politics of meaning? I ham especially intrigued by ze idea zat cynicism eez birthed een ze failure tou be seen.
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 2:07 PMThots on ze politics of meaning? I ham especially intrigued by ze idea zat cynicism eez birthed een ze failure tou be seen.
If I am understanding this statement correctly it is saying that we become cynical about things that think might happen. That we base our assumptions on our history and the way our negative ego sort of keeps us in check and keeps us from going out of our comfort zone for good or ill.
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 8:12 PMhide behind a congeries of images and masks
or maybe rather we manifest diiferent aspects of ourselfs at diff times.
and though some may be for hiding, others may be...
{dthe word avatars comes to mind.}
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 11:17 AMNo one has taken you as you are (you percieve that as fact). So you trust no one. There for you become a cynic or cynical.
The mask is battered so you drop it and get a smack in the face. It seems like a self feeding cycle. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 1:22 PM"Hero w/a 1,000 smacks in the face"
rons' seqeul to j. campells pop hit.
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:02 PM"maybe rather we manifest diiferent aspects of ourselfs at diff times. and though some may be for hiding, others may be...
{dthe word avatars comes to mind.} "
Which brought those famous theatrical masks back to mind.
But here is a bit of trivia, from m-w.com ...
Etymology: Sanskrit avatAra descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over
1 : the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a : an incarnation in human form b : an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3 : a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:07 PMI liked 3: the most, but was surprised to see how 3: made it down the pike (descending :) -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:11 PMi like #3 da most as well.
also brings to mind loa and da collective unconcios. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:25 PMhow am i not myself, etc....
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Fri, May 13, 2005 - 9:41 PMHe lost me when he pulled the Divine Other out of the ether.
BAH! -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:25 AMfuck tribe. It's a useless waste of fucking time, and I wish i could destroy all of you in a very personal way....GOD I love you...curse you...*sob* -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:42 AM"Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go? Still you had the feeling that you wanted to stay? Wanted to go. Wanted to stay ...." -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:43 AMboth here and not here, duality that is just a skin sliding on silence...curse you... -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 12:49 AM>curse you...
too late -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 11:08 AMTranscend duality, or not -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 11:21 AMTrainscented dualities gets me places. -
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the triple edge
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 1:24 PM> Trainscented dualities gets me places.
"paradox is the theshold of enlightenment" -
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Re: the triple edge
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 2:52 PMOr is it just where you get on for ze ride? -
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Re: the triple edge
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:11 PMabandon hope, all ye who enter here... -
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Re: the triple edge
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:31 PMyou must be *this* high to board.
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:31 PMjust to live in a dream -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:39 PMLife is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot.
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 7:50 PM"All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last." -- Marcel Proust -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 8:27 PMthey are final alright
and tho' the state of mind won't last
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 8:37 PMi made a decision today to buy new sunglasses. they are rose-colored, and i'm wearing them now.
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 8:42 PMI live in rose coloured glasses and blue tinted windows
I do not see the world as it is
I believe in illusions
I act according to nonsense
I am a homsapien . . . -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sat, May 14, 2005 - 11:18 PManyone else here a homsapien? -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sun, May 15, 2005 - 1:15 AMI think I'm a HomOsapien, maybe a homasapian, herbasapien, hoobiesapien, boobiesapien, maemasapien.
premate, primate, preemate, pinkmate, peemate, pokiemate, perniciousmate............ -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sun, May 15, 2005 - 3:16 AMShunyata: the five elements are empty -
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Re: I could almost go there
Sun, May 15, 2005 - 8:40 AMthe five elements may be empty, but that knowledge is not useful without the non-empty... -
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House ov MirrorssrorriM vo esuoH
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 8:58 AMreflectioningssgninoitcelfer
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Sun, May 15, 2005 - 3:36 AM
"Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go? Still you had the feeling that you wanted to stay? Wanted to go. Wanted to stay ...."
Nearly, every morning... Some times I just stay in bed and wait until my alarm goes off. Other times, I have to pee so bad, I have to go.
That artikle, reminded me of some Alan Watts, Still the Mind tape I tried to listen to. I couldn't get past how scary his voice was. So, I ståpped listening. -
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Re: Ze Politics of Meaning
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 4:49 PMI might start a fire in my fire pan tomorrow. Heat my element. -
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Baddabump!
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 11:54 AMZe golden oldie.
Zem hoo donut ponder ze past are doomed to reflufff it.
Mangy donkeys fur ze reality-chexxx goose to mein familiars und fiends.
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Follow zat thought!
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 4:02 PMasitoughttobe.wordpress.com/
See 2nd story (although ze first one eez ze good read, toooo).
CRITICAL LEGAL STUDIES AS A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE, PART TWO
by Peter Gabel
