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Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

topic posted Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:34 PM by  Madame Gonzaga
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"...In addition to this, Perverted Justice placed people under assumed identities in Burning Man forums on Tribe.net. which became a VERY fevered discussion that is STILL going on to this day."

See also:
brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...a54c0a4e
bm.tribe.net/thread/6b85...a276e899b6b5

hrrrrrrrm. I wonder wot wot became ov ze Perverted Justice troll profiles. Doo they have memberships? Do you suppose TOU TOU'd 'em fur trolling?
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  • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:45 PM
    Ugh. It grosses me out how everyone is kissing this guy's ass who was thinking he was about to fuck a 13 year old girl. If he wasn't in a band everyone thinks is so damn cool, he would have been ostracized. Gross. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile. Check out recitivism rates and you'll agree. Fuck Matty. Sorry to anyone who is a friend of his, but he is the lowest common denominator of the human race in my eyes. I don't care what band he's in or how 'sorry' he is. Bitch is trying to save face and nothing else. He was trying to fuck a child. That is what he is.
    • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:54 PM
      Maybe we should go to one of his concerts with a crew?
      • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

        Wed, January 16, 2008 - 1:55 PM
        I don't want to incriminate myself but stagediving is fun!
        especially in a moshpit.
        when your not the one stagediving.
        • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

          Wed, January 16, 2008 - 3:11 PM
          I should have said, "what band he WAS in".
          • No where in his letter doth zeez Matty creature flat out admit he thought ze girl was only 13 years old. He states in his letter to ze Burning Man community zat ze "girl" was 20 IRL und in ze fauxtoe, but does not own up to thinking she was ONLY 13. He alludes to role-playing as if his Burning Man counterparts will believe he really thought he was going to fuck a 20 year old pretending to be ze 13 year old rather than ze 13 year old. It's pretty obvious ze guy is not only not sorry, but also zat he would welcome new playmates to discuss how it feels tou be a pedophile or be preyed upon by such. He seems tou be a self-centered schmuck feeling sorry for heez elf for being caught und eez romanticizing heeez sexual plight tou ze point of not really even 'fessing up to ze fact zat he lured underage folk with drugs for sex.

            Deer God. Shouldn't ze courts be monitoring this beast's online behaviour?

            P.U.
            Kak!
            Fuxxxing loser.
            What a smirk in ze face to all heez constituents. Someone who really was sorry would be volunteering time tou help ze poor razzle zen composing long boring bullshit letters. I'm sticking with ze Cliff's Notes version.
            If someone read ze perp's letter differently, please point out ze passage where ze eloquent would-be friend-of-Lolita comes clean in ze clear, straitforweird manner. Unlike ze Cliff's Notes version ov heez flowery prose.
            To wit:
            "Fuxxx! I got caught. Say, any biddy wanna talk about how it feels to be this way? I am sorry and sad, so sad to have been busted. Let's help each other in ze future. Please tell me all about your fantasies of taking advantage of children or about your being taken advantage of. In great detail Because I care. Really though, she was 20 so why am I even sorry? Drop me a line, k,? Rock on, Matty"

            His letter should have read: "Dear Community, Please forgive me for trying to fuck a 13 year old, especially if it was you or someone you loved! But it turned out she was 20, so that's okay, right? Hey, if you've ever wanted to fuck a young'un, or if you're a young'un, gimme a call. Party on! ~Matty"

            Excusing mee whilst I go shower in rubbing alcohol.
            • Wot a shitsack cunniebag.

              Wed, January 16, 2008 - 4:12 PM
              I mean, not only doth ze muzzleless fuxxxer insult ze community by heez bald-faced 13 v 20-year old lie, but heee backs in with a time-sucking aimless psuedo-apologetic letter zat eez full ov wind.

              Thief ov sex, thief ov time.

              Wood it have been just too hard on you to face writing in plain English "I WAS PLANNING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A YOUNG GIRL SEXUALLY AND GOT CAUGHT. I THOUGHT SHE WAS 13. IT TURNED OUT SHE WAS 20, BUT IF SHE'D REALLY BEEN 13 AND THE DAMN TV FUCKERS AND COPS HADN'T BEEN THERE, I'D HAVE FED HER THE COCK BOY HOWDY AND HOW!!!!"

              Kak. Aryoooo can foool ze rabble butt aryooo donut fooool ze Mad Ham. Jam out with you someday? Foolish idiot.

              BE GONE.


              ARRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

              <grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr>
              • Hee. Dateline 2008. In an ingenious move zeez afternoon, Tribe leader Mark Pinkeye struck a deal with...eh, you get ze point. Ze fact zat ze sexxxings predators really are on here kinda spoils ze fun, though.

                Still, I wonder wot wotever happened to ze Perverted Justice alt trolls. Zeez could be ze new revenue stream for Tribe if they buy ze memberships und / or donate to ze kitty.
                • The only thing I'm gonna say on this thread is that the band that Matty WAS in didn't have anything to do with what Matty did, and they shouldn't be persecuted for it.

                  There were a LOT of people who were hurt by his actions, the people in his band being among them. Don't punish them for his actions.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Predatory Sex Offenders in ze Arts

                    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 4:39 PM
                    Kill zem all und let ze Gods sort 'em outttie!







                    Okay, not really. Ze fact zat ze leader of ze band eez a pedophile doth not mayketh ze muzak suck, just as ze fact zat ze wall of sound guy blew zat Amazon babes brains out means he never rocked or ze fact zat Woody Allen took nekkie fauxtoes of heez underage stepdaughters means Annie Hall sucks (even though it does).

                    So, hey mon--I still dig Mutaytor's schtick, I just know better zen to let their ex-leader anywhere near mein nieces.
                    • Ladies und Gentle mons, zeez eez live threading. I ham veddy soggy if mein hasty und intemperate poostings concerning Matty's community apology offended anyone. Mein visceral reactionings were due tou ze disingenous und manipulative flavour I whiffed in Matty's letter as I read it closely for ze first time. Still, I stand by mein weirds--all ze vile with regrets fur offending any ov mein deer rabble via ze rogue delivery.
                      • All I'm saying is that if he were just some regular schmoe pedophile, he wouldn't be receiving all the warm fuzzies he's getting from the BM tribe. I think it's gross how everyone is fawning all over him and congratulating him for 'being so brave'. PUKE. He's a piece of shit. It has nothing to do with the fact he was in Mutaytor. And his association with them has really hurt them even though they got rid of him which sucks. But the fact that he's part of the BM "scene" due to his history with Mutaytor I'm sure has a lot to do with all the fobs kissing his ass. GROSS. Fuck him. People who sexually prey on children are filth and scum, and I don't care how boo-hoo repentent you are, you will NEVER receive my respect, support, or forgiveness no matter how well you write your pity-me excuse letter. BLECH! And fuck him. Oh, poor little me, I was sexualized as a child. Guess what? I was raped as a child. A thirteen year old child, to be exact. I'm sure his cock would stiffen to read those words. And I sure as hell ain't out there trying to fuck children over it. The fact that he is using this as some sort of justification makes me want to punch him in the mouth so hard I break my knuckles and he shits my fingernails. Yeah, very evolved of me but I have little tolerance for pedophiles, which he is and always will be. FUCK HIM.
                        • ^5, MG & Rebecca.

                          It sickens me beyond words to know that the drooling self-help platitudes are so quickly adaptable to defending this garbage. His sentiment about the possibility of being a parent and his obvious crocodile tears over taking his opportunity to leave his non-13 yr old wife (who forgave him) while painting it as being "the noble thing" - gah.

                          Fucks like this pollute every scene. Every one. Even in teensy little towns. I never hear "so&so got beat so bad he left town" either.

                          Why the fuck not?
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      Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

      Fri, January 18, 2008 - 9:12 AM
      *nods and agrees with Rebecca's first statement about this*...

      a now former friend of mine I've known online for over ten years..mentioned something that made me feel very uncomfortable..and I know he goes into RPG chatrooms and stuff...

      He mentioned that his 11 year niece asked him if he wanted to play "molester/protector" game and that he walked away and never saw her again until she was in college. There are two flaws with his story:

      A) I honestly DO NOT believe she approached him with playing that game
      B) I don't believe him when he said that he walked away from her - it's probable but I don't think that really happened.

      He was really drunk when he told me this...but still -- it creeped me out to no end.
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    Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:00 PM
    I'm having a difficult time following this debate.

    What the hell exactly is going on?

    All I can tell is that there's a bunch of creepy burning man freak shit happening.

    If popular musician guys at BM sing the praises of engaging in statutory rape with 13 year old girls, that does not suprise me at all. I have a low opinion of BM in general and especially anyone associated with crap music it produces.

    But I will say underage girls have always been part of rock & roll. Creepy, but true.

    I don't agree that one is necessarily a pedophile if the girl is underage. If the girl appears to be mature, appears to be of the age of consent, then the guy is not a pervert. He's not getting turned on by sex with a child because he didn't know she was a child.

    He is, however, still going to jail because that is statutory rape, and there's no legal defense to it. None.

    If you have ANY doubt as to whether someone is of the legal age of consent - don't touch them.
    • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:37 PM
      The guy I'm talking about was caught as a result of the "To Catch a Predator" show on Dateline. He was filmed going to a house where who he thought was a 13 year old girl was waiting for him to have sex. He met her online and developed a relationship until it got to the point of meeting for sex. When he arrived, it was really a 20 year old who was part of a sting busting sexual predators and he got arrested for attempted lewd acts on a minor under the age of 14. You can see his photo on the Megan's Law website if you type in "Matthew Nash". He was in Mutaytor at the time but was booted out shortly thereafter though his wife was kept on as "manager/den mother". Anyway, on the BM tribe, he posted this big long whiny excuse-laden diatribe about what a repentant victim he is. You know, his being sexualized as a child excuses him, the poor baby. And of course, a flood of "You're so brave!" and "Warmth and light in your journey!" etc. comments came in basically telling him what a great guy he was for coming forward with is truth. Fuck that narcissistic prick. You're going on an online public forum about Burning Man seeking forgiveness from virtual strangers for trying to fuck a 13 year old? That's real sincere. And he's getting that forgiveness in droves without question. People truly disappoint me at times.

      That's my quick break down, at least.
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    Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

    Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:26 PM
    I like older women, frankly. Women my own age, in other words.

    And damn near no cougars have been attempting to troll me.

    Only younger women! BM women at that. What's up with that? What do they want from me?

    As for genuine pedophiles, they are a good argument for the death penalty. It's a shame it doesn't apply to them.

    One thing that worries me about this subject, though, is that some innocent people have been convicted in the past for alleged child sexual abuse that they did not commit. Remember the day care sex scandals from a few decades ago? It was a witch hunt and it turned out the cases were fabricated. It wasn't the day care workers who were molesting, it was the parents and relatives who were doing it, and then blaming it on day care workers.

    Oh, y'all are too young to remember that.

    I had a friend from high school who was a defendant in one of those day care cases. I know damn well he was no pervert. He loved children, but not in THAT way. He was ACQUITTED of all charges, but he lived through hell for two years as the case made its way to trial, and his reputation was forever damaged.
    • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

      Wed, January 16, 2008 - 8:50 PM
      Was that the McMartin case or something like that? I do remember that one. Unfortunate, but not common. But when false allegations are made, it's pretty low-down and fucked up because it makes it that much harder for the next victim to come forward. The same goes with rape allegations. When I hear stories about women fabricating rape stories (again, not common, but it happens) it really pisses me off. To falsely accuse someone of such a horrible thing is sick. Again, because it starts to throw credibility into other reports which is really hard for true victims.
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        Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

        Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:29 PM
        Fact is, while the predators - the strangers who lurk and prey upon children - are horrible, most sexual abuse of children is committed by the victim's parents, family members or other trusted parental figures, like step-parents, priests, etc.

        But we have this public hysteria about predators, which masks the much bigger problem of this stuff going on in the home.
        • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

          Wed, January 16, 2008 - 9:54 PM
          Those predators are the same ones who do that shit at home, too, though. Online predators are a recent problem. The internet just became another venue for pedophiles to make contact and gain the trust of a young person so they could be groomed into having sex with them. A pedophile is a pedophile. It's just the extra stupid ones who end up on Dateline and leave electronic trails of their evil deeds while somehow thinking they're being covert and getting over.
          • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

            Thu, January 17, 2008 - 9:36 AM
            My mom watches that show a lot, and we've discussed how fucked up these men are that travel such long distances to have sex with little children. She's amazed how many guys they get on that show, and that some of them are even aware that the show exists, but still obey their twisted little fantasies and fall into the trap. It grosses her out to no end.

            I tell her that the show is a good thing, and thank god these men are so goddamned stupid, so at least these few can get caught before they do any more harm.
            • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

              Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:04 AM
              The thing that really gets me is that on the same show where Matty got busted, there was a guy who had been busted on 'To Catch a Predator' once before.

              it reminds me of people who show up drunk to DUi school.
              • Amazing Grace

                Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:30 AM
                >it reminds me of people who show up drunk to DUi school.

                Humans are ze frail specimens. If not for Grace we wooould alll be lost.

                ahem. I feeel ze song comings on...best to let ze King take over.
                www.youtube.com/watch

                Dedicated tou all hoooo are working tou overcome ze demons, be they drink or creepy sexxxxings or depression or sloth. Inclouding TOU guy, hooo I ham sure eez simply ze misguideded fuxxx.
            • Are ze Perverted Justice Trolls Still Trolling?

              Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:10 AM
              Please can some biddy provide ze leeeenky tou ze Public Justice trolls? Are they stillll kickin' up ze shits? I suppose zeez eez TOU-sanctioned mayhem, then? Allowing ze PJ trolls to lure Tribal members into online conversations just tou fuxxx with 'em? hrrrrrrrm. I ham bettting ze PJ trolls donut have star-bellied memberships, butt lettuce hope at least they "donated" tou ze Tribal powers wot be for ze carte blanche trolling rights.

              Eez TRUE a TOU-sanctioned PJ troll? Satan? Peach? MrsPartyBoy? DarrenM?

              As ze downdogging mimble ov ze Tribal community, I ham curious as tou just how deeply ze PJ trolls infiltrated our nitwork und how much ze Tribe founding fuzzers knew, und when.

              Curiouser und Curiouser.

              Spill, TOU.
              • Re: Are ze Perverted Justice Trolls Still Trolling?

                Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:17 AM
                I realize Matty hath ze real problem, an addiction, und zat he needs help. I commend zem Tribe members wot can be nonjudgmental und give Matty ze encouragement out ov their heartfelt belief zat he eez on ze up und uppinks in heeez appy polly logggees.

                Wot wot chaps mein ass cabbage in zeez situation eez ze foolwallowing points:
                1. Pervo Justice trolls baited innocent bystanding Tribe members.
                2. TOU allowed the PJ troils to do so.

                If Tribe allowed this transgression, zen I cannot help but tayketh ze next leap und beg ze kvetchstion: Are private tribes really private? Are private messages really private?
                • Oh, Meeeeeester TOU man/woman/beast...

                  Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:19 AM
                  COME ON TOU DEER, GET YOUR TOU'ING ARSE OVER HERE UND ACCOUNT FUR ZEEZ ACTIONS.

                  Please tou anstword ze kvetchstions wot I've laid out fur aryooo in ze previous posts.


                  tippy tap tippy tap tippy tap....

                  TIPPY TAP TIPPY TAP TIPPY TAP...
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    After all you've been up to.

                    Perhaps I was not so far offfings with ze idea for new revenue streams I've floated in ze past.

                    Hee! It's absolutely diabolical!

                    Arrrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

                    Answer ze kvetchstions.
                    To wit:
                    Why did TOU knowingly allow its members to be trolled? Not Matty, fuxxx him, here I refer to regular law-abiding Tribal folk.
                    Now, about zem PJ trolls. How many were there? What were their screen names? Who ran them? Give links to all ov zem please.
                    Were they paid members? Did they give Tribe a donation ov some sort?
                    When did aryooo nose they were infiltrating tribes?
                    Did you give zem access to any otter areas of Tribe (private Tribes)?
                    Did they infiltrate any private tribes?
                    • CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                      Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:27 AM
                      RABBLE: PLEASE EMAIL ZEEZ LINK TO TOU UND AX IT TO COME ANTWORD ZE FUXXXXING KVETCHSTIONS AS SET FORTH BY MEIN ELF.
                      dingleberrylane.tribe.net/threa...de32a3
                      • Re: CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                        Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:32 AM
                        Don't the PJ people have a right to be here like everyone else? It is a public website after all. I'm not exactly sure what is so upsettng about their presence. Am I missing something?
                        • Re: CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                          Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:36 AM
                          PJ trolls set up accounts und lured regular old nonchildmolesting Tribe members into conversations about Matty, to discuss heez pedophiliac ways in an attempt to stir ze shits. I find zat repugnant und insulting, especially as it eez rumoured to have been TOU-sanctioned. Donut you? Or ham I riding ze hare trigger again?
                          • Re: CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                            Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:40 AM
                            In otter words, PJ trolls attempted to stir ze shit for publicity for their show razzzle zen in a genuine attempt tou discuss ze issue at hand. They used ze members for ratings, und TOU tra-la-la'd zem along. A different type ov molestation zen Matty's, but still ugly.
                          • Re: CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                            Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:41 AM
                            Rumored is the key word. The guy in the interview made one statement not based on fact but based on assumption. I'm not buying it. It's just antoher attempt at trying to make PJ look bad to excuse the actions of a pedophile as though PJ somehow MADE him try to fuck a 13 year old.
                            • Participant Observer

                              Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:48 AM
                              I have no argument in how zat slime Matty finally got busted und I too saw right through heeez "but she was 20" ruse.

                              Here I am arguing not zat Matty was rightfully busted butt razzle ze fact zat TOU allowed ze PJ trolls to assume identitiies in ze attempt to rile up ze masses against heeem for a better story for their fuxxxing show. Furtive fluffing by a bunch ov shills. Feels icky.

                              I donut lyke being ze shillee.

                              If ze TOU eez innocent ov selling out Tribe mimbles, let it come forweird und speak its truth.
                          • Re: CALL FOR DIRECT ACTION

                            Thu, January 17, 2008 - 10:54 AM
                            To stir the shit? So, no one should have a discussion about a registered sex offender who has an account on this site? We should just tell him how great he is for being "honest" and pretend like he didn't try to fuck a kid? I don't see how this could be a publicity stunt when these alleged actions took place long after the program aired? Believe me, they have enough publicity as it is. And Tribe ain't brining it in in droves. That bitch Matty is getting called out which I think is great. Why is it that someone who might be associated with PJ is called a troll rather than just someone with an account and a strong opinion who wants to discuss pedophiles on the net? Who better to open a discussion about pedophiles on the net that someone associated with this group? Why does TOU have to have something to do with it? I just don't get it. Especially since all of this assumption is based on one sentence in an interview with his former bandmate. Who's to say he's just not lying to create publicity for himself or to detract from the real situation? The outrage to me is that Matty is still allowed to access social networking sites when he's a registered sex offender. I'm more interested in hearing from TOU why they allow him here when he is a known sex offender who uses the internet as a mean to find victims. This is the time he got caught. Who knows how many times he actually hooked up with a minor before getting caught? Pride comes before a fall and it looks like Matty got a little, er, cocky in his pursuits as though he were untouchable. Guess he found out how wrong he was.
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                Re: Are ze Perverted Justice Trolls Still Trolling?

                Fri, January 18, 2008 - 6:12 PM
                You mention me twice, Madame:
                "Eez TRUE a TOU-sanctioned PJ troll? Satan? Peach? MrsPartyBoy? DarrenM?"

                As I am TRUE and Peach. There aren't enough rumors about me as it is, so you needed to create new ones? Why?

                No, I am not affiliated with Perverted Justice. I did not know about that show until I read the threads on the Official Tribe.net tribes. I do not watch TV. I did look up their site and post it on Bugs for the original poster. I did put their site and other info in my blog. I was also a childhood abuse victim, and am extremely sensitive to the thoughts of predatory people wandering around, uninhibited.

                That sensitivity is so heightened that I found the "poem" created by Satan for Rebecca, with the staring at boobs and butts of a 14-year-old to be creepy and nauseating. The poem may have been written due to the exchange here in Dingleberry, and even be approved and well-liked by Rebecca, but it does not remove the creepy feeling I felt and still feel when I viewed that poem. And if the poem is out of context, presented as being a poem written by a 44 year old man, staring at a young teen girl, it gives a bad impression.

                This is a public site. Since pedophiles do not have to check in with TOU or Tribe.net employees before joining, what makes you think that Perverted Justice people would check in? They do not need the permission of Tribe.net to join, check things out, and look for predators. Certainly TOU cannot look for predators on their own, and they are hardly equipped to do so.

                The FBI does this too. Look for predators. See their info here:
                www.fbi.gov/innocent.htm

                "It’s heartbreaking—our nation’s children being lured away from their families by sexual predators using the Internet to disguise their intentions. We’re firmly committed to stopping these crimes through our Innocent Images National Initiative. Based in Maryland, it teams FBI agents and local police in proactive task forces around the country, where they work online undercover to investigate those who prey on children."

                People can apparently talk freely about molesting children. I saw in someone's profile once, a song that was about molesting children, and it WAS SICKENING. Because of my own experiences and sensitivity, I'd probably be tempted to lump the song writer, the performers, the person who posted the song, and anyone who replied to that blog post in with the pedophile and hack off their genitalia before tossing them into the tiger pit at the SF Zoo. It would save the zoo money in feeding the animals and would rid the world of creepy people. Or just make Soylent Green.

                There is a huge difference though, between those who chat about it, make perverse songs or odd poems, and those who actually show up on the doorstep of what is assumed to be an underage child expecting to have sexual contact with said child. That's messed up.

                So, if you aren't doing that, showing up on doorsteps, expecting to have sex with 13 year old kids, you probably aren't going to have any problems. No matter what agency is here, and there could be numerous ones.

                One increases their risks of having problems with participating in discussions, arguing for pedophilia, or displaying the notches on their penis for the number of underage girls they've nailed. I'm sure there are many very odd, very strange private tribes that have all kinds of potential pedophiles and/or other potential lawbreaking behaviors promoted. I've seen one.

                But as it is difficult for me to separate people being serious and people kidding around, I can't do much. TOU here is sick and tired of me reporting things that apparently everyone else (but me) knows is joking or kidding or harmless. And they seem to find it hilarious that I report things. They allow just about everyone to say whatever they want about me, and rarely are there repercussions for those rumor mongers.

                What's the difference between "Allowing ze PJ trolls to lure Tribal members into online conversations just tou fuxxx with 'em" and allowing regular tribe trolls to lure me and/or others into online conversations, just to fuxxx with 'em?

                If you're going to be down on trolls, it should apply to all.
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                  Re: Are ze Perverted Justice Trolls Still Trolling?

                  Fri, January 18, 2008 - 7:14 PM
                  TRUE:

                  Please get the fuck out of this tribe. You are here under false pretenses.

                  You ruin every tribe you join, unless it is a tribe expressly created to celebrate mental illness, like your wild aspies tribe. I think you even ruin those.

                  You've come to this tribe under false pretenses. You came here to talk shit about me and characterize me as a pervert. Everything else you said is just a pretext to mischarcterize me as a pervert, which I am not.

                  Let's not forget that you are the one who received a warning from Tribe.net for sexually harassing me.

                  Let's not forget that you stalk me outside of tribe, on other social networking websites, on my own professional website. Let's not forget that you've sent me messages warning me that you know who I am and where I live, and who my girlfriend is, and that she could be in danger. You sent that message under the guise of your "helpful" advice but actually it was just more of your creepy stalking and veiled method of making threats.

                  Let's not forget that you sent me unsoliciated invitations to talk about BSDM, a subject that I have no interest in.

                  You have no business getting up on a soap box here and talking about stalking or creepy stuff, for you are a creep and a stalker yourself.

                  You are here under false pretenses.

                  This is a fun tribe and you are never fun.

                  Get the fuck out. You've been warned.
  • Re: Perverted Justice plants trolls on Tribe

    Thu, January 17, 2008 - 7:46 PM
    I think he should be sent to the Castration Tribe.
    • Once more, with feeling!

      Fri, January 18, 2008 - 9:48 AM
      >>>>1. Pervo Justice trolls baited innocent bystanding Tribe members."

      >>>>They aren't "innocent" if they took the bait.


      Okay, I feel as if I ham not really getting through here. Focus, please. I realize Gonzagaeze eez ze second langwitch fur many ov aryoooo.

      Butt zeez eez important. Please to think critically und grok ze far-reaching effects ov such an unprotestededed violation ov our community.

      FOCUS:
      *** I ham knot referring to wot wot PJ did to entrap Matty. Hee was preying on ze young. I ham grateful hee was stopped. Okay? Now moving on, let's discuss ze trolls wot were planted in ze Burning Man tribe und mebbee otter tribes to get ze tide rolllllin' in to cause ze stir in ze rabble surrounding Matty's arrest. Doth anyone grok nor understand ze implications ov such socialization tweaking done by ze focks at Perverted Justice und perhaps sanctioned by Tribe's executives? Separate ze two und think critically about how you/we as Tribe members were "handled."***

      In brief : 1. Matty was arrested. He deserved it. Over. Done. 2. In order to keep ze anxiety high, PJ trolls stirred ze community up using alts/trolls/fake personas. 3. Tribe management knew of ze trolling of ze innocent und stood idly by.

      Does no biddy else want to nose ze anstweirds tou ze kvetchstions I raise surrounding zat issue? Such as: When did Tribe know PJ was using alts to stir up community members? NOT PEDOPHILES POSING AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE GENUINELY CONCERNED UND SPEAKING FROM THE HEART? Are we a bunch ov fucking lab rats? Unpaid fluffers? Do Tribe members even grok ze manipulations? Did Tribe receive compensation from PJ for their trolling threads?
      More kvetchstions:
      Why did TOU knowingly allow its members to be trolled? Not Matty, fuxxx him, here I refer to regular law-abiding Tribal folk.
      Now, about zem PJ trolls. How many were there? What were their screen names? Who ran them? Give links to all ov zem please.
      Were they paid members? Did they give Tribe a donation ov some sort? How much? When? Did the deal include carte blanche to attempt to create a lynch mob / rabble-rouse?
      When did Tribe nose PJ were infiltrating tribes for ze purpose of rabble-rousing?
      Did you give zem access to any otter areas of Tribe (private Tribes)?
      Did they infiltrate any private tribes?

      If ze Burning Man Tribe folk want to be led by ze nose rings by ze shills at PJ, und if no one else takes umbrage at such behaviour, wellll zen. I throw up mein pawls (und a coupla donuts) in sorrow und moveon.org

      Christ on ze Crackwhore. It's lyke ze fuxxxing Skinner Box in here.
      • Re: Once more, with feeling!

        Fri, January 18, 2008 - 10:05 AM
        All due respect Madame, but can you show one posting where "PJ trolls" were planted and baiting members? Or are you just making assumptions based on gossip? I read the threads top to bottom. The first was started by Matty himself and the other by a long-standing member of tribe who wanted to let people know there was a pedophile in our midst, and this post was in response to MATTY'S post. This PJ troll planting obsession is based on pure heresay and on one comment by the guy who was interviewed. Where's your proof? I think you are getting all riled up about something that never happened. Tribe has no control over who joins and can only boot people who viollate the TOU. In no way were the terms of use violated. In fact, I'm not sure where you're getting this info that TOU somehow complicitly let PJ plant "trolls". Pure fabrication. Sorry. I just don't think you're getting this, that what you're so outraged about never happened. And why does someone who is repulsed by his acts and wants to get the word out have to be connected to PJ? These are regular tribe members who are disgusted by Matty and his use of tribe for seeking validation of his acts. No one is stirring things up. They are just not letting it go now that he's back here acting like some poor victim and LYING about what really happened though the transcipts are out there. Is there something wrong with letting people know there is a pedophile interacting with them, looking at their pohotos of their daughters in their profiles, etc? Freedom of speech applies to everyone, not just Matty. It's funny, everyone keeps defending Matty saying he has a right to be here and express himself, etc. so why the big concern over others being here callinhg him on his shit? Why does it have to be some big tribe conspiracy? It's not. Sorry, we obviously disagree on this one.
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          Re: Once more, with feeling!

          Fri, January 18, 2008 - 10:16 AM
          SOrry Madame -- I agree with Rebecca on this one too :-)...

          I don't feel sorry for the guy...
          • Re: Once more, with feeling!

            Fri, January 18, 2008 - 10:29 AM
            OH GOOD CHRISTS.

            :::BANGING HEAD ON GROUND:::

            I give uppinks.

            Time for ze mourning mocha.

            >>>>>>exit thread right
            • Re: Once more, with feeling!

              Fri, January 18, 2008 - 11:20 AM
              I think this is just too sensitive of a subject...
              I understand Madame what concerns you is that people are posting as Alts and baiting potential situations where people would be admitting criminal activities or the want to be involved in criminal activates, but on the same hand this subject of child abuse is such an sensitive subject and it is hard for people to see beyond the act.
              It is such a strange and foreign behavior to most people and such a damaging act to the victim and the abuser is so manipulative.

              Here is a creepy event that made me realize even more so how fucked up pedophiles are.

              I have worked with sex offenders at a state mental hospital and I had a client say that a pedophile once he acts the abuse or fantasy for him then the act becomes like an obsession and all you can think about, and when a pedophile has built up his confidence enough to act out this fantasy that you know could potentially damage your life forever (usually they aren’t thinking about the kid who is really going to be fucked) you then obsess on when you get to do it again almost like a drug it consumes you. this client was in treatment and he said he learned what to say and how to tell people he was better and he learned what to use from his past to justify his actions, win trust, and in his head plan to do it again.
              Also had a guy that graduated the sex offender program and was going to be released so we started letting him go on day trips and do community integration with staff this went well so he was allowed a trip alone. He didn’t know that on his first trip alone staff where to be on the bus and to follow and document his behavior. Within 10 minutes of the bus ride he got up and sat down next to a little girl and started grooming her staff got up moved by the man and then engaged him in conversation which he reluctantly did the whole time trying to also engage the child... We called the PD and they met us at the bus terminal when he got off the police where there as well as us to escort

              I didn’t last more then 8 months at the state mental hospital it was the most damaging place I had ever worked.
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                Re: Once more, with feeling!

                Fri, January 18, 2008 - 11:28 AM
                Bunny...that had to be a hard place to work at... :( not to mention many sleepless night...

                I also agree it's an extremely sensitive topic to pose questions about alts, etc...
            • Re: Once more, with feeling!

              Fri, January 18, 2008 - 1:59 PM
              Madame, I totally understand what answers you're looking for and what is concerning you. I just don't think TOU has anything to do with any of it is all I'm getting at. I know you are not questioning whether what Matty did was right or wrong, that's a moot point among us all, but whether TOU knowingly allowed people from PJ to create alts and work as plants. I believe the answer is absolutely not. I hear your concerns, though, I just think they're unfounded is all.
              • It might make more sense to you if you knew that she and I were both forcibly unsubbed from t.net without any cause, any warning, nor any opportunity for redress, back in the day - also helps convey why certain otherwise-well-meaning tribe.net old-timers refuse to purchase stars.

                It's always been obvious that tribe.net is spooked by some of its popular members, especially when the spooky ones get a real following and start showing google-stats. What to do? Keeping this site's members under a boot hoping for the soccer-moms to stroll by has always been tribe.net's albatross, no matter who's at the helm. Some of you are totally aware of what I'm talking about - there are some of us that mgmt just plain hates for some reason. That's the clear and obvious reason MG, myself, and five others were booted - the opportunity presented itself and there was animus among the site's managers (back when it had those - ha ha, tribe.net, you must supplicate to me if you wish the voodoo to be removed) against truth-sayers and controversial personalities.

                Years later - still no apologies, a fair amount of similar antics sliming by on learned discretion - now accepting pay from professional trolls?

                And keeping totally silent about it. Déjà vu. I guess I'll just have to hike my old gloves out of the closet. I've kept them oiled. My animus is stronger than theirs. I'm not rendered simpleminded by hot-button tactics, either, none.
                • I'm aware of that situation and the events that led up to it, Black Thursday, to wit. I was here back then when it happened (this is my fourth year on tribe). But that has nothing to do with this particular situation though I completely understand where you guys are coming from with your concerns based on your past experiences with TOU. But the two are entirely different situations and the behind the scenes players have changed so the animosity from the past is valid but not applicable to this particular case since TOU had nothing to do with it.

                  Boy, we're really beating this one into the ground! Gah! Such a touchy subject.
                • Rebecca said: "And why does someone who is repulsed by his acts and wants to get the word out have to be connected to PJ? These are regular tribe members who are disgusted by Matty and his use of tribe for seeking validation of his acts. No one is stirring things up. They are just not letting it go now that he's back here acting like some poor victim and LYING about what really happened though the transcipts are out there. Is there something wrong with letting people know there is a pedophile interacting with them, looking at their pohotos of their daughters in their profiles, etc? Freedom of speech applies to everyone, not just Matty. It's funny, everyone keeps defending Matty saying he has a right to be here and express himself, etc. so why the big concern over others being here callinhg him on his shit?"

                  YES.. Oh I LOVE YOU... you can not only read but unlike most Burners you have GREAT reading comprehension skills and contribute to the conversation I was trying to have on BM in a logical manner! Yes, the recent folks against Matty's faux apology are for the most part old timers on tribe like myself and just exercising free speech..albiet more civilly than some of the others in the various discussions:)

                  I am not aware of any PJ actions here on Tribe...but I would not put it past them.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Oh blessed hallelujah, thank you all for this thread.

                    I thought I was taking crazy pills over there in BM tribe trying to argue that we shouldn't take the self-reported "healing process" of someone who would drive an hour with a bag of sex toys hoping to fuck a seventh grader at face fucking value.

                    ARRRGH!!!

                    Okay, since it would be OT over there I've held back, but ranting time's a comin'...

                    What is it with hippies (and i have some hippie blood in me) and their cult of compulsory love and support? Didn't they learn anything from the Hell's Angels and Charlie Manson back in the day? Uncritically accepting people is like putting an apple on your head and handing the world a shotgun.

                    Emotional censorship is cult behavior. How I fucking feel about my fucking fellow fucking man (especially when he's a goddman child rapist) is my own fucking business and I don't fucking owe it to you to fucking be supportive of his fucking journey so fuck you you fucking hippies!

                    Respect, kindness and general compassion (ie seeing humans as humans) is fine, but your heart is your own.

                    I got a lot of annoying assholes coming across with "Jason, you're being too angry. I suggest you look inside yourself and eat some betel nuts and spin your chakras until you're more like me."

                    And then you scratch beneath the surface and these people are always one step ahead of being evicted, dodging multiple civil judgments, have restraining orders against them, owe back child support and are unemployed because they got caught getting high at work.

                    But they have a lot of suggestions for how YOU can be a better person.

                    Okay, rant ends.
                    • Oh, and sex with kids is not okay. I don't care what they do in Europe or ancient Babylonia. Evolve, you fucking primitive screwheads.
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                        HEAR HEAR!
                        • Hot damn! Great rant!

                          (It must be getting really bad over there in the BM threads...)
                          • Oh, and mad props for the "Army of Darkness" reference...
                            • Madame you asked: "Eez TRUE a TOU-sanctioned PJ troll? Satan? Peach? MrsPartyBoy? DarrenM?"

                              Just look at my join date to tribe and my friends and testimonials...you sorta know me and I think Trouble/Tramua Flintstone had you to my house in the Mission once...so no I am not a troll for TOU or PJ.

                              I trimmed down my profile and dumped my blog to lower my profile on tribe for my own personal privacy reasons..but I am like my (now husband Jason) amoung the first wave of tribesters:)
                              • P.S. For the record..if you read the transcripts that led up to the bust...you get to learn that he KNEW he was breaking the law and that he was choosing to arrange sex with a 13 year old virgin in 7th grade...even more creepy than some of the first hersay that she was experienced, flirty and 14...Jason you still got that link?

                                It reads like text book grooming... they way he first attracts her through false flattery and they bond over how he is hurt by his ex-GF being fridged and he empathises with her frsutrations with her parents...but keeps telling her she should go for the acting career...ROTFL...like some very bad social skills in some creep at a bar...only tailored to woo a very young fragile ego.

                                It BLOWS MY MIND that his soon to be ex-wife is doing all his dirty work and trying to get people to support him (she did it last time it hit the Tribes and again with his controversial "Letter to the Community"...he never talks in the threads just her). She is even mad that Dateline and PJ are not giving her MONEY for ruining her life...she thinks they should be paying all the families of the men they bust!

                                Wow, a new hippe employment idea....you live with a jerk go to therapy with him over his sexual issues , don't leave him you stay and help keep it a secret that he got busted for many months before the show airs...and when he (predictably) attempts to commit a sexual crime you get cash! Because after all blind dangerous codependance is the new high paying job for hippe chicks.
                                • Wormed donkeys fur your coming to ze Lane to share your impassioned und heartfelt thoughts, Mrs. PartyBoy (tm). I would have been astounded at PJ's deft hand had they created you as an alt...Hee!

                                  I do believe I amimble aryooo, und fondly. Und I heartily agree with allllll aryooo have to say.

                                  I ham still, however, limply waving mein "BUT THEY ALSO TOYED WITH TRIBE MEMBERS' EMOTIONS IN THREADS, PERHAPS WITH ZE KNOWLEDGE UND PERMISSION OF TRIBE EXECUTIVES" flag. I would still like to see those PJ profiles and have mein kvetchstions answered.

                                  I guess it's time to lay down ze flag. No biddy cares. No biddy groks ze futureweirld. After alll.......







                                  LIVE FROM TRIBE.NET....... IT'S FRYDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!
                                  • Oh honey bee....we care...it just is not as big deal to have possibly a few professional trolls here as it is to have a pedo networking and selling his crap faux apology as healhty networing with like minded loving souls of all ages;) ...(speaking as one of the troll ring leaders of the orginal tribe wars in the early days here..but fuckit was fun and many real life friends and one marriage came out of those..so not so bad;)

                                    If it did happen some sort of PJ allaince with Tribe and making alts I doubt very much it will ever be admitted. But I am learning to not engage the various alts that I can detect as such...that is my little contribution to starving them:)
                                    • Re: I don't "settle".

                                      Sat, January 19, 2008 - 10:56 AM
                                      >>it just is not as big deal to have possibly a few professional trolls here as it is to have a pedo networking and selling his crap faux apology as healhty networing with like minded loving souls of all ages;)<<

                                      I disagree with your entire approach, and I oppose strenuously the false and somewhat repugnant equivocation you attempt to draw. That you seek to paint anyone who dares to engage your discussion as some kind of tacit pedophile-enabler is highly offensive to me, personally.

                                      This implicit indictment of people who don't share your simple views, though, does fill my sails with a certain kind of unspoken mandate, so, let's share.

                                      I think drawing the parallel you seem hell-bent on nurturing - endlessly, ad nauseam, no matter how many times it's clarified to not be about whether someone feels pedophilia is "right" or forgiveable or whatever - is utterly pointless, ethically sleazy, disingenuous and diversionary.

                                      It's the very kind of absurd equivocation - exactly the kind of weak-minded fake-concern moral-hauteur bullshit tactic - that *really* does piss me off.

                                      Now, before you send the anthrax, I'm not saying "you're a bad person", Ms J, I'm saying:
                                      "HEY: goddammit for the eighth fucking time: it's not about Mutaytor"
                                      and also
                                      "when you can't refrain from invoking pedophilia to protect emerging commercial criminals that believe they rightfully own your mind and mine, criminals with more capital and resources that you or I will ever have, criminals that this very website apparently encourages enables and endorses, then I think it's clear you have a serious problem assessing reality and evaluating needs, and are also being stupid and unfair besides. So, shut up your foolish howling, and *think* for a second."

                                      That child molestation strikes you as a more *loathsome* crime I fully understand, but I don't think (very many of) you're allowing yourself to see the logistics, ramifications, and (I should think pretty clear) implications of a company that takes pay to spy on you, lie to you, and exploit your weaknesses.

                                      Jesus fucking Christ, people. Shut the fuck up about the kid-touching (you fucking proxy-pervs) for five seconds so I can get back to my fantasy in which you're more intelligent than most: if you get caught up in the whee-fun of hating the kid-toucher and thereby droolingly endanger *everyone else* as a result: YOU are the new kid-touching waste of flesh making the world a horrible place. Hear me or remain a moron, whatever; but I swear to fucking god anymore of you saying "sex w/ babies is wrong m'kay" are *officially stupid* for *ever and ever* and fit only for *feeding my attack animals*. Get it?

                                      Damn, people! You're supposed to be the smart ones! Ffffffsh.


                                      (PS: I love you! I love you! Oh god, forgive me! Oh, jesus lord - I - I just.... it's just that when you..... you MADE me.... b-but......)
                                  • I, mee,.Wendt, don writ much englich much budt hear gos..

                                    I am going to type plain cause for once Im not interested in double entendre, puns, or discouraging unwanted eyes. etc.
                                    Sorry for writing out of alt.

                                    you people rock. I took down a 'sex' alt I had up for over a year on account of bad vibes I got- and age based play requests I was getting despite being clear that isn't my kink. Now I wonder if these were trolls. wendt is a zombie, and does not like trolls. just so thats clear. but even more so wendt dislikes pedophiles and anyone who would hurt another in a manipulative or coercive way. anyone who claims that "I was done wrong as a child, thats why I did it" should have both cock and tongue cut off. my mother was raped as a child, and while I do think it can very different for young boys and young girls, the fact of YOUNG remains. 19 on 16 is very differnt than 30 something on 16, alone alone 13. If he actually wanted help to deal with his confusing feelings, he would have sought a doctor, not a 13 year old. my mom never got counseling, but never had perp desires arise either- i think most girl turned women dont; we are wired slightly differnt I think. but thats not the issue, its a tangent, and his use of it should not delude the BM community. (I always thought that the BM abreviation was appropriate, now even more so)

                                    Wendt has plenty IRL frineds on his list amongst the alts and norms. I guess the reason I am writing this (and laboring to edit since I really do type that badly) is to say that you all rock for calling a fucktard a fucktard and a child molester/potential/probable rapist exactly that- A REAL TREAT. \

                                    While I will admit to being biased- I havent read the BM threads deeply - I see plenty of those who think that since they have never been violated, the "itsalllovehippyshit forgivetherapist" idiots who live in a false sense of security & denial, and plenty of those unfortunate ones who haven't worked out their post violation psychology and are in a psychotic state of denial. not to say all BM folks are that way, obviously some arent. but dudes and dudettes, I live "give" and "love" every day of my life. I dont reserve a week to pay to go to the gift economy on desert wehre the majority of people have to use copious ammounts of corporate energy to get there and back, I simply do it every day where Im at. so BM itself is largely a culture of denial in my opinion. you want a gift economy? go live on the res, or in a depressed rural area, or stay at a monastery awhile. thats where you are likely to find it, I know cause thats how I roll. so BM is largely a cult of denial and its no surprise to read that reallying in defense of a CHARISMATIC BUT REAL THREAT. cult of personality is still cult, Mr. Jones.

                                    mme, thanks for your concern about trolls. Hate them. Wendt 1.0 got TOU'ed some time back, and wendt 2.0 had his password changed and while the profile is up I havent been able to access the damn thing since spring 2006. how the password got changed I dont know, but the ghost of the zombis sits in statis yet. since then Ive stayed very low key on account of liking some of you and not being artist enough to have fun with being kicked out of institutions that I cant leave my mark on. Those who have been TOU'ed and left indelible (we know who), well good on ya!

                                    I want mme's KVESTINS answered as well. theres alot of personal politics in here and its deep, but this thread has, overall, made me feel really good to be part of this segment of the tribe community. I dont know whats happening over in BM and I dont care, except that I know a REAL THREAT has been outed and bunch of indolent hippy fucks are thick as flies on shit over it . you people keep rocking the truth seeking and calling a spade a spade.

                                    reb, now that ive said all that, reading through this thread, I want to give you a hug. it seem to me like this hits you in a tender spot, and I sort understand- what I said about my mom. she never got counseling and I had to work through alot of her projection as I grew up, cause she couldt talk with me about birds and bees, and I didnt have a dad. SO you know, youve run for miles where other walk just a few feet. bless you. Yes. its monstrous act that took place. get yerself a hug!

                                    wow again, sorry for breaking with my alt, bad form I know, but I was filled with this conversation over the last few days and really wanted to say I admire the whole damn lot of you. good freaks in this house!

                                    you people pretty much rock and I look forward to burger orgy (RATED PG-13!) and pie!




                                    • Aw, thanks hon! But it's more of a rough spot than a tender spot, I would say. I'm beyond needing hugs for things that have happened in my past. Not that I don't accept yours, because I do and will take them where I can get them! I think I've finally learned how to channel my anger in positive ways. Confronting shit head on is always a good start. Writing about my feelings helps. And this whole thread has actually been quite cathartic.
                      • >> Evolve, you fucking primitive screwheads.

                        Thank you, Ash. You've come to save us from the terrors of the Deadites.
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                          EVOLVE? That's against the Bible!

                          President Huckabee told me that I was created in the image of God and evolution talk is a sin against the bible.

                          You must be one of them fags he warned me about. Fags is always talking about evolution because fags evolved from monkeys and want the right to marry monkeys!

                          After President Huckabee is elected President, this whole website will be shut down because it is all just ungodly and sinful.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    I really, truly hope I'm not offending anyone with my comments (except for AssHatty Matty). That is certainly not my intention. I'm just very sensitive about the subject because of my past experiences being violated by men like Matty. And thank you, Mrs. PartyBoy. I appreciate your comments here and in the other threads. You, too, Jason. Nice to see you here. I was going to send you an email to tell you I thought your comments were GREAT and that your clear grasp on the absurdity of all the blind Matty support was refreshing. I was really disgusted and surprised at how many people starting piping in to say they saw nothing wrong with having sex with minors. Ugh.
                    • Rebecca..be careful.. I am fragile now that I have a huge crush on you...you simply can't stop being nice to me now...and agreeing with me ... I need it all the time now... should I become an actress? Do you think I am pretty enough')?
                      • >should I become an actress? Do you think I am pretty enough')?

                        ::Ari from 'Entourage' mode::

                        You're the sun and the fucking moon, baby! And the stars! Fuck, you're the whole fucking galaxy except the fucking black holes! Gotta put you on hold, baby. Got a call coming in...

                        ::end::

                        Transcript:
                        www.perverted-justice.com/
                        • Wanna lube up and grind against my ingrown hairs, Mrs. PB? I can take you places. I'm a rock star, see?
                          • You okay with Walgreens house brand of baby oil? I am on a budget being a rockstar and all...but I can bring a sheet from my fridged girlfriends bed to keep you S.O. from finding out.
                            • "can l tell you something? my dick is getting hard over here talking to you"
                              • "pinky promise"?
                                • Thank you very much Wendt. Many of us only had each other in PM to talk with for the last weeks this battle has been raging. Like hubby Jason said: Halleuju for this tribe! Sanity does exist!

                                  My mother was a fucked up victim of sexual abuse too...and it really affected her parenting. It was not easy for me but compassion helps me so thanks for sharing your story.
                                  • imn ought shuer weur saine, budts I wool sexs wher noughdt simpathistic wif chillin abyouse., er idiicy.

                                    imn laizy craycy adn sttoopid, budt I aint vileant or sexul agins kids. yep.N' I godts bullits fer themn thet ahre.

                                    heh.
                                    • Man alive...does this tribe come with "decoder rings"? Help the aged..please....
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                                        Wendt says:

                                        imn ought shuer weur saine, budts I wool sexs wher noughdt simpathistic wif chillin abyouse., er idiicy.

                                        imn laizy craycy adn sttoopid, budt I aint vileant or sexul agins kids. yep.N' I godts bullits fer themn thet ahre.

                                        heh.

                                        -----

                                        I'm not sure we're sane, but I will say we're not sympathetic with child abuse or idiocy.

                                        I'm lazy, crazy, and stupid, but I'm not violent or sexual against kids. And I've got bullets for those that are.
                                        • Thank you True...that was the equivilant of being a good scout and helping this old lady cross the street:)
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                                            You're welcome. I came here via a link posted by Madame Gonzaga in the Brainstorm tribe.
                                            brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...9aa87b0b

                                            I had been reading and keeping up with your posts, Mrs.PartyBoy.

                                            I was surprised to see my names included in Madame's post here.

                                            However, this is not a "friendly" tribe for me. It's a Satan/Grundig friendly tribe, with one of his images posted for the main tribe picture.

                                            So, I do have to leave. Even without the threat from Grundig, I would have to leave.

                                            Wendt and Gonzaga can seem to be hard languages to understand. You go past the spelling and sound out the words. Some of the letters will be right. And then you can follow them quite well.

                                            Hopefully Madame will refrain from mentioning my name anymore. Otherwise I might begin to think that she wishes to watch another fight take place in this tribe, during which I would probably be unsubscribed. I would prefer that not to happen.
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                                              I told you to get the fuck out of this tribe.

                                              You are still posting.

                                              Do not post again.


                                              • Jason & Mrs. PB. Please come to the meat orgy or pie party or both. Believe it or not, these are innocent, food related events. No, really! REALLY really!
                                                • Oooo....tempting...PM me deets!
                                                  • OK, before I finish reading this thread, I'm gonna segue on Jason's "Hippie" thread. Thanks, J, because it's been on my mind for days, and I also have "hippie blood". But I've read about so many cults coming out of the hippie/jesus freak/ new agey deal that mess with kids, including the Rajneeshi's (osho), Hare Krisna's, etc. Here's a great story about one, the OM cult that came straight outta the whole haight ashbury summer of love thang... www.rickross.com/reference...al596.html

                                                    Now, I know ALL about the fundie xtian cult's doing it too, my bro sued the crap outta the Jehovah's witnesses for the same cover up shit, so don't say "Oh, it happens there too!!"

                                                    Another thing, don'tcha just LOOVE it when someone says "Oh, well if stuff happened to you, or someone close to you, it's just YOUR issue that makes you angry, so therefore you have no right to talk about it." I'd love to hear them say that kinda shit to a holocaust survivor (ANY holocaust, don't want to get into THAT discussion, so just choose the genocide YOU identify w/, wwii, cambodia, native american, I don't give a fuck.) The whole OH you just have SOUR GRAPES!!! So you don't get to talk argument does'nt work here, so if you wanna use it, go fuck yoursef instead.
                                                    • And the groupthink over there just drives me up the fuckin' WALL! First, i'm sure only about 50% of the folks gave matty the love bombing on hsi sorry ass "apology" thread becasue they wanted to "belong". It was 19 posts into that thread before anyone even MILDLY called him on his shit (sasquatch's "Good job, but stay away from my daughter" post) and fully FORTY posts in before anyone (not to toot my own horn) really went off on him and called him on his shit......WTF? "Oh, matty, so honest, so heartfelt..." I hear better excuses from my daughter, and she's not into PR etc., and she's five. Are people reallly that stupid, deluded and sheeplike?
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                                                        "Are people reallly that stupid, deluded and sheeplike?" asked Avishai, in conclusion.

                                                        Yes, they are, oft times. It's part of the group think you mentioned at the beginning of your post.

                                                        If you want be be popular and get along on tribe, you can do this "group hug" thing, collect tons of friends, never say anything negative about anyone. So people do that. It makes the herd feel comfortable. That is a sure fire way to be popular.

                                                        In contrast, if you strike out at someone like the child molester, you are rocking the boat. It upsets the herd.

                                                        • {{{{{{{{"Are people reallly that stupid, deluded and sheeplike?"}}}}}}}}}}

                                                          No, a lot of us are victims.
                                                          I for one got punked out at 13.
                                                          I Don't have any sympathy for Matty.
                                                          I don't really like burners anyhow.
                                                          Its a fucking cult if I ever saw one.

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                                                            Wait! Everybody turn this way! Now hold up your torches and pitchforks and say CHEESE!

                                                            ~Click!~

                                                            Now lets make fondue.
                                                            • "Wait! Everybody turn this way! Now hold up your torches and pitchforks and say CHEESE!"

                                                              ?????

                                                              I can't have an opinion about this... on a forum????
                                                              • But if you insist.

                                                                "Wait! Everybody turn this way! Now hold up your lube and vibrators and say BUSTED!"
                                                                • Nonsensical Tidbits from the Gallows

                                                                  Sat, January 19, 2008 - 10:26 AM
                                                                  If you insist upon drawing lines, put me in the photograph with the pitchforks and bowie knives.

                                                                  By the way, can someone please help me understand gifting a 13-year old with a vibrator and lubricant? Perhaps Matty's gift was meant for his own sorry ass? What exactly was that man's intent? Thank God for Perverted Justice. I would imagine a thorough search of Matty's computer revealed even more shenanigans of this nature and even if he's able to convince himself and the crowd that his crimes are less than what we believe them to be, I'd still argue the logic of trusting his interactions with any child or young adult.

                                                                  Book 'em Dano!!!!


                                                                  CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE.
                                                                  • Re: Nonsensical Tidbits from the Gallows

                                                                    Sat, January 19, 2008 - 11:01 AM
                                                                    Didn't Abercrombie & Fitch come out with a junior miss thong a few years back?

                                                                    Talk about trying to turn out the masses........ www.nationalreview.com/buckle...325.asp

                                                                    The Medias the Biggest Cult.
                                                                    • Re: Nonsensical Tidbits from the Gallows

                                                                      Sat, January 19, 2008 - 11:11 AM
                                                                      >>>>Wait! Everybody turn this way! Now hold up your torches and pitchforks and say CHEESE!

                                                                      ~Click!~

                                                                      Now lets make fondue.<<<<
                                                                      MMMMM... loves me some fondue!! Some brie fondue made w/ calvados, some asian pears, good stuff, maynard.
                                                                      • Freedom of Commentary

                                                                        Sat, January 19, 2008 - 11:30 AM
                                                                        >>>if you get caught up in the whee-fun of hating the kid-toucher and thereby droolingly endanger *everyone else* as a result: YOU are the new kid-touching waste of flesh making the world a horrib...blahblahblah<<<

                                                                        Loki, child molestation is a sensitive subject and many people want to share their feelings. Are you threatening anyone who wishes to chime in, whether with a "yeah, fuck you matty" or a "good for you buddy"? Once someone has said something, no one else should register or weigh in?

                                                                        I realize this story is old news, but many here are learning of it for the first time. Come now. Do they not have a right to make a comment or two registering their thoughts and feelings surrounding the situation? Shining a light in dark corners is what we do to rid ourselves of demons. Talking about the situation is good for the community, online and in person.

                                                                        Perverted Justice trolls posing as community members in an attempt to manipulate public opinion against Matty and boost their ratings or develop interest in their show is wrong and I hope Tribe execs answer Madame's questions about their knowledge of community persuasion/infltration, although anything PJ did that helped bust Matty I'm okay with--this whole situation is more a shade of gray than black and white.
                                                                        • Re: Freedom of Commentary

                                                                          Sat, January 19, 2008 - 12:57 PM
                                                                          Having experienced alts on tribe posing as real people and befriending me and showing "fake" empathy in character and then later finding out it wasn't true, was pretty hurtful. So it is creepy to think I could be conversing with someone that is posing as someone else to gain information or fire me up about something. It grosses me out and I don't care who you are.
                                                                        • Re: Freedom of Commentary

                                                                          Mon, January 21, 2008 - 9:33 PM
                                                                          >>Loki... are you threatening anyone who wishes to chime in, whether with a "yeah, fuck you matty" or a "good for you buddy"? Once someone has said something, no one else should register or weigh in? <<

                                                                          Nope. I'm saying such commentary, when repeated as a response to a direct question that doesn't involve Mutaytor or its unfortunate choice of frontmen, is stupid and harmful. My invective, though awesome and powerful, isn't intended to serve as a warning that I'll make anyone's life more awful than it is. Believe it or not, in my testiest, nastiest moments, I'm doing the best I can to actually reveal that things can be *less painful* than they're made out to be - in this case, I definitely think that the continued recourse to "nonono hate pedo bad man" in response to MGs very serious and certainly valid issue is off-topic, inappropriately emotional, and pointlessly reactionary.

                                                                          The only real threats I can find implicit in this discussion is:
                                                                          "if you fail to agree with me / us, you will be seen as a sexual predator of children or at the very least an enabler of said."

                                                                          I will fight that evil bullshit with all my powers. I will fight anyone who dares to poison and harm human beings. If I can't remove the power in a tangible way, I'll reveal the evil and stupidity underlaying that power.

                                                                          >>Do they not have a right to make a comment or two registering their thoughts and feelings surrounding the situation?<<

                                                                          They do, along with the responsibility of negotiating the consequences of doing so, such as fielding opposing views. I have the right to point out that invoking the wrongness of predation on children in response to a related but essentially *different* subject - repeatedly and without variation - is fucked up: stupid, or evil, or both.

                                                                          >>Perverted Justice trolls posing as community members in an attempt to manipulate public opinion against Matty and boost their ratings or develop interest in their show is wrong and I hope Tribe execs answer Madame's questions about their knowledge of community persuasion/infltration<<

                                                                          That is the issue at hand: anyone who demands the focus be put on "those who disagree with tribe.net's abuse of community for money is a child molester" will receive more ire and vilification from yours truly, if only in that few others have the fiber to stand up for what is actually right even when what is actually right is unpopular and makes people feel irrationally afraid.

                                                                          I'm sick of the irrationally fearful having all the political power. Enough of letting idiots and scare-mongers control all discourse with *their* threats that I'll be a bad man for pointing out they're evil and/or stupid and should button it for the good of the children they supposedly care so much about.

                                                                          Nyah!
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                                                                            Re: Freedom of Commentary

                                                                            Tue, January 22, 2008 - 3:16 PM
                                                                            Why hasn't anyone accused: Mutaytor = Satan?

                                                                            It hurts my feelings that you think there are people more evil than I am here on Tribe.
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                                                                What?? How the fuck does my comment equate you not being able to have an opinion on a forum?

                                                                Seems to me that SOME folks on this thread think you can only have an opinion if it agrees with theirs.

                                                                MrsPartyBoy and Jason, you have fucking browbeat this subject to death in your quest to make everyone agree with you. You want us all the say you're right?

                                                                Well, you're right! You are SO smart, SO insightful, I don't know how I didn't see the light before. There, is that better?

                                                                I am seeing the same sheep/hive mind mentality you are accusing other of. And seeing your last response to me, you look like a fucking bully, MPB. It does appear that if the masses don't agree with you we're all pedophile supporters. Must be nice to live in a world that's so black and white.

                                                                Now I'll let you all get back to patting each other on the back for being so fucking self righteous and RIGHT.
                                                        • If you want be be popular and get along on tribe, you can do this "group hug" thing, collect tons of friends, never say anything negative about anyone. So people do that. It makes the herd feel comfortable. That is a sure fire way to be popular.

                                                          ******
                                                          I use Pie. I just want to be loved, is that so wrong?
                                            • Hopefully Madame will refrain from mentioning my name anymore. Otherwise I might begin to think that she wishes to watch another fight take place in this tribe, during which I would probably be unsubscribed. I would prefer that not to happen.

                                              ******

                                              If you are just here to threaten under the guise of contributing to the conversation it would be best that you go. That whole Satan vs True thing gets old really quick and the reason Satan Grundig can continue in this tribe is because he contributes intelligently and cleverly to conversations and isn't just here to bait another person. I don't know why you do this but it really chaps my hide and it takes a lot to chap my hide. (whatever that means.)

                                              As far as his poem goes, yes, if you took it out of context it would sound pervy. But in context of the whole thread it was posted in it was clever and perfect.
                                        • yer misder qwestin markl tru, yep, yer godt thet right, butdt uh, yeh fergodt ts teh "heh." thedts imporntnant.
                                          • nawh, ass to chappin hydes's, thet where ya bben ridin saddl sour fer thrre dais and ther dust and grits all up in yer pardts and skin windt dry an sun burnd an it stardts a crackin an thets when yer hysde is chapt. so taik it fromin a my lecksickon a coughboyisms an knoed what if a person chapts yer hied a thihn ya jest shoud used mor lub, or nodt let em stardt in on yeh at awl.

                                            as jebis sex, be payshints wif the fuckups but brewdal wif the fucktarded. or somfin liek that. least wise the preest said thet ya shal never proffres sympath ta the mently ill, fer itds the boddomless pit/ amen.
                                            • an don let them wif no frents front on yer, cuz themn godt no frends fer a good raisin. jest walk on bye. themnll git ther braince eetin sooner enuff.
                                              • If anyone is surprised that a bunch of people in the Burning Man tribe offered validation to a worthless person, I remind you that about 95% of all content on this site consists of empty platitudes. Just as it is easy to lose one's temper online, it is also very easy to get carried away with "niceness" and end up at conformity bordering on cultish behavior.

                                                I prefer the cathartic anger approach, but I'm clearly in the minority. If the idea is to make friends, usually sucking up is the way to go. But really, can true friendship be based on superficial compliments, forced enthusiasm and misguided validation of the Oprah "You Go Girl" variety?

                                                Burning Man really is fascinating from an anthropological / sociological / psychological point of view. Radical self-expression is the new conformity.
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                                                  Doc' Yo observed:

                                                  "Burning Man really is fascinating from an anthropological / sociological / psychological point of view. Radical self-expression is the new conformity. "

                                                  ___________

                                                  I like the way you put that, doc.

                                                  In fact, I think I will now suck up to you, and give you some "go girls."

                                                  Look in your inbox for a friend invite from me.

                                                  Dr. Yo is the best!

                                                  Can I be the moderator of your vanity tribe? Ilovedryo/tribe.net

                                                  Lov ya!
                                                  • Children should be obscene und not heard.

                                                    Mon, January 21, 2008 - 6:34 PM
                                                    www.10zenmonkeys.com/2006/10...2%80%9D/
                                                    In their own bizarre form of exploitation, every page of the site now also includes an ad for their official store, which offers to give visitors a chance to raise awareness of the growing problem of online pedophilia “by shopping.” The store sells merchandise bearing the site’s logo, including underwear, women’s thongs, and a baby doll t-shirt. There’s also coffee mugs and beer steins. For the t-shirts they’ve even come up with catchy pedophilia-busting slogans.
                                                    “See you later masturbator, after a while, pedophile.”
                                                    “Squeeze no child’s behind”
                                                    “a/s/l”
                                                    “Coast to coast, we make predators toast”


                                                    corrupted-justice.com/
                                                    "Because two wrongs don't make a right."



                                                    By ze way, Tribal Executives, I'd still be liking to get ze answers to ze kvetchstions I posed (refer to kvetcshtion list upupup above simwheres und also posted in Darren's Brainfart tribe for your convenience) concerning your knowledge ov PJ shills on Tribe.

                                                    tippy tap tippy tap tippy tap...
                                                • Re: oh ho ho now:

                                                  Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:29 PM
                                                  >>I prefer the cathartic anger approach, but I'm clearly in the minority.<<

                                                  Weird. You said that made me a bad person inside and intimated you were way, way above that sort of thing.

                                                  Finally falling in line, eh? Send me 5$, biter.

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